- I've BEEN reading a lot of topics lately, asking how to handle RABID JW FAMILY MEMBERS/ ELDERS TO prove 1914, 1925, 1874, Generation, blood, vaccanations pyramids. etc FALSE using only WTS PUBLICATION... WELL IT's NOT SO EASY, YOU HAVE TO HAVE KNOWLEDGE OF WTS HISTORY AND THE BIBLE. WATCHTOWER HISTORY BEING THE KEY POINT. I know many here have read RAY FRANZ'S bookS and they are great, no question. But there are DEEPER BOOKS into WTS HISTORY, REPRINTS THAT ARE AVAILALBE FOR $7- $20 That will make 99% of jw's SHIT in thier pants , I my self like love to STUMBLE THE LIVING CPAP OUT OF JW'S on the "revelation climax book," and "live forever book" using REPRINTS OF "MILLIONS NOW LIVING WILL NEVER DIE" and how every thing they were teaching at the CEDAR POINT OHIO conventions in 1919 and 1922 was forfullment of bible prophecy. FUNNY I NEVER MET ONE JW IN 40 YEARS THAT HAD ANY IDEA WHAT IS TAUGHT AS BIBLE TRUTH TODAY that was preached at the 1922 convention. So just by reading old wt books I have 99% of jw'S OVER A BARRELL. And they know it. Here is a short list of books that can help any FADER, XJW ETC handle RABID JW'S. of course 'MILLIONS NOW LIVING WILL NEVER DIE' is my favorite. " a BIBLE FOR A SCIENTIST" talks about how the WTS WORSHIPPED PYRAMIDS and 1914. " a people for his name" is an other great book going over russell, rutherFRAUD, and Knorr. "THE FOUR PRESIDENTS OF THE WATCHTOWER SOCIETY" is a great book for x jw's that want to look up older wts, and see their lies. " THE DESOLATION OF THE SANCTUARY" is a great book for learning about the early WTS infactutation with QUACK MEDICINE. aND ALL THESE AND OTHER WELL RESEARCHED books are sold on AMAZON AND LULU.COM DIRT CHEAP. and are very ACCURATE when quoting from WTS BOOKS. I'm guessing some of the more knowledgable posters can direct , many posters here which books will help them in their path to deal with themselves and jw family... rutherFRAUD
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Answers for QUESTIONS about 1914 and early WTS HISTORY/ FALSE PROPHECY
by judge rutherFRAUD ini've been reading a lot of topics lately, asking how to handle rabid jw family members/ elders to prove 1914, 1925, 1874, generation, blood, vaccanations pyramids.
etc false using only wts publication... well it's not so easy, you have to have knowledge of wts history and the bible.
watchtower history being the key point.
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Best Music Concert you Attended - Favorite Live Musicians ?
by flipper insince spring weather is upon us - thought those of us that enjoy live music may have fun with this one !.
my favorite live musicians i have seen are follows :.
and which show or group was your favorite ?
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black sabbath 5x led zep 2x pink floyd 4x yes 5xs ted nugent, ozzyfest 2xs aerosmith 6xs van hAlen, dr. john, aretha franklin, jethro tull 3 3xs , soundgarden, johnny meastro brooklyn bridge, dion, alive and kicking, emerson lake and palmer, john rich, ashford and simpson many times at their club, the sugar bar let me tell you valerie simpson can really sing anything. diana ross, robert plant, billy joel, rod stewart, frankie valli, lisa lisa, allman bros, linda ronstadt, vicki sue robertson, etc
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Door to Door Message? A DIVERSION! Where does the MONEY go??
by Terry inthe door to door work is a sham.. the central activity of the watchtower bible and tract society is not spreading their so-called "message" about the kingdom of jehovah established in the heavens in 1914.. that's a load of propaganda.. the door to door activity is feckless in producing converts.
in fact, it is an immense failure of mammoth proportions!.
but, it is a diversion.
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I always like to ask older jw's "SO HOW MUCH DO THE WT MAG;S COST NOW"? 99% OF the time they will say " they were always free" At this time I have set them up to LIE FOR THE WTS. tHEN i ASK " how long have you been a jw?. remember I'm talking to jw's that have been in most likely for at least 40 + years if not more. THE TRAP HAS BEEN SET !!!!!!!! I go back so the mag's were never sold for a FIXED PRICE? AGAIN 99% OF THE time they will deny the mag's were ever sold for A FIXED PRICE... then I DROP THE BOMB whrn I was a young child 35 years ago I CLEARLY REMEMBER GOING TO THE HALL AND THE MAG'S HAD A SET PRICE ON THEM. AND MY JW FAMILY PEDDELING THEM FOR $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ . LAST I REMEMBER WAS $.25 CENTS per copy then I tell them about the case with Jimmy sarwart. and how i only COST THE WTS ABOUT $ .03 PENNIES EACH TO PRINT EACH MAG . SLAVE LABOR ,INK ,PAPER AND ALL. and ask what the hell they were doing with 1 1/2 to over $ 2 MILLIONS PROFIT THEY WERE TAKING IN EVERY WEEK FOR DECADES? the old jw's always run away / because I kicked their asses and MADE THEY LIE. LIKE TAKING CANDY FROM A BABY.... JC
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Just had JW come to the door to invite me to memorial
by tec inthis is the first time that i ever refused to go the memorial.
usually i make excuses or fall back on the 'maybe'.
in fact, i have never stated an opinion that differs with anything that a jw at my door says.
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TEC; you did a smart thing read john chapeter 6; 40-54 AND THE KEY WORD IN ALL THIS IS' ANYONE' be happy your huasbsand know the wt is full of shit
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Faders are indeed a very large doormat
by moshe insorry, to be so blunt- for a whole day i have watched people here patting themselves on the back- we're a large army, oohh, look out wt, we might do something, well not today or tomorrow, but someday!
maybe, i have to just accept that a lot of jw's who are exiting the kh by the back door will never find a backbone to stand up to mummy and elder daddy.. jw's have a learned ability to see themselves in a better light than everyone else sees them.
ask a jw, if they are a charitable religion and they would likely all say they are, but when pressed to name a charity they will be unable to do so.
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Moshe: I'm glad you talked about the 7-11 they have one here about 5 blocks from the hall. and I've hade more fun at 7-11 stopping presentations, getting jw's run into a busy avenue traffic just from the site of my face. they even called the police on me for talking to the persons they were trying to give mag's to... so much for freedom of religion. hahahahha OH JEHOVAH THEY HATE WHEN I GET OUT THE BIBLE. Moshe remember hardliners that stand up to the WTS ARE A MINORITY HERE. all you can do is hope some will learn from your experence . john cip
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Faders are indeed a very large doormat
by moshe insorry, to be so blunt- for a whole day i have watched people here patting themselves on the back- we're a large army, oohh, look out wt, we might do something, well not today or tomorrow, but someday!
maybe, i have to just accept that a lot of jw's who are exiting the kh by the back door will never find a backbone to stand up to mummy and elder daddy.. jw's have a learned ability to see themselves in a better light than everyone else sees them.
ask a jw, if they are a charitable religion and they would likely all say they are, but when pressed to name a charity they will be unable to do so.
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garyneal; first I like your posts and feel for you. ray franz, carl olof, etc are guys that BLEW OFF THE roof of LIES OF THE WTS . OF COURSE MOST JW WILL NEVER READ THEIR BOOKS I just this week has a talk with a jw and he was talking about Ray franz He gave me wt lies about Ray and I told him about Ray was m ade to write the "aid to bible understanding" book and how some of the thing Ray found out from researching bible history helped Ray leave the wts. so these are great books and have helped many x jw's. I'm just guessing that this jw was saying alot about Ray Fraz. he may have an idea that Ray was on to something. even tought he said he's not allowed to read any apostate books. he seemed to be fixed on ray franz. and I told him enough about RAY that may peek his intrest. to read his book and prove all things true. jc
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Faders are indeed a very large doormat
by moshe insorry, to be so blunt- for a whole day i have watched people here patting themselves on the back- we're a large army, oohh, look out wt, we might do something, well not today or tomorrow, but someday!
maybe, i have to just accept that a lot of jw's who are exiting the kh by the back door will never find a backbone to stand up to mummy and elder daddy.. jw's have a learned ability to see themselves in a better light than everyone else sees them.
ask a jw, if they are a charitable religion and they would likely all say they are, but when pressed to name a charity they will be unable to do so.
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Let's talk about jw's using ppl as DOORMATS. I had reason to go to a public institution this week and needed to speak with a manager, I saw a watchtower mag open on her desk, and asked her why she was reading that garbage. SHE made a smug face and told me it was JEHOVAHS MAG'S. then got up and went to get her bible and came back with someother jw that worked with her. they returned to the office acting like I was a DOORMAT and they were going to teach me about Jehovah. All smart ass in their zelotness. I didn't waste any time and asked what in the world makes you think jesus choose the wts as Jehovah mouth peice on earth in 1914? then ran off a list of fasle teaching / prophecies from that time. they tried the usual bullcrap we " made mistakes" I asked then why does the wt today print that what they were printing in 1914 was bible truth from Jehovahs table? if it was all bullcrap . MY bible says Jehovah can't tell lies. so your telling me that Jehovah made the wt publish for decades lies/false prophices etc. I'm not going to type everything that happened in over an hour. But the point is I made them MY DOORMAT in about 10 minutes , used their nwt to make them call jesus a liar etc etc. It was like TAKING CANDY FROM A BABY. and they knew I had their number. they were so happy they had a customer after an hour talking with me. As I left I told them they have learned more about the wts history/lies in an hour with me them all all the years they spent in the KINGDUM HELL. they just stood there with their heads down, knowing I used them as DOORMATS. I have a feeling that's what Moshe was getting at in his post. jc
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Faders are indeed a very large doormat
by moshe insorry, to be so blunt- for a whole day i have watched people here patting themselves on the back- we're a large army, oohh, look out wt, we might do something, well not today or tomorrow, but someday!
maybe, i have to just accept that a lot of jw's who are exiting the kh by the back door will never find a backbone to stand up to mummy and elder daddy.. jw's have a learned ability to see themselves in a better light than everyone else sees them.
ask a jw, if they are a charitable religion and they would likely all say they are, but when pressed to name a charity they will be unable to do so.
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I understand were Moshe is coming from saying many posters here are like DOORMATS. I have read 1000's of stories here were x jw's or faders let the jw's walk all over them like DOORMATS, and keep going back for more. WHEN I read someone's story on jwd and here week after week, month after month, year after year, on how this person is letting the jw's kick the living crap out of them, every day and drive them insane. it makes me sick, I have to ask when is this person going to grow a backbone, and standup to these wt bullies. because once they are up your case they will not let go. In these type of cases I think you need to stand up to the jw's. I read many cases here were faders work it out on the sly and just slip off out of sight and mind with no big problems. and that's great for them trying to keep family intact with out the heavy hand of the wt coming down on them. Some xjw's here have already lost all the wt could have taken from them the hard way, myself included. I learned to attack the jw's playing their own game, and find it works great for me. Guys like Moshe have nothing to lose anymore from the wts. And show a way to handle them were your controlling the show. Jw's hate being out played at their own game and having to be on the short end of the stick. Moshe and a fare number of other posters here , can light up a whole host of smart ass jw's like a roman candle and make them EXPLODE, in their wts lies in the course of minutes. and at the same time make them admitt they are false teachers . That takes reasearch, knowledge of the wts and balls. Some x jw's just will not let jw's push them around. just ask Moshe?
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VIDEO - Russia JW Convention in Russia Disrupted and Canceled
by Albert Einstein inthats not a new video, but this is still happening in russia.. do you thing its good if authorities try to slow down jw, or should they just let them do what they want?.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8btgy51o2w.
albert.
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the gov't in Russia a SMART they nip the CANCER OF THE WTS IN THE BUD. IF THE unites states would have finished off the wts back in 1918. then none of us would be here today complaining how the wts screwed up tieirs lives. think about it real good before posters here start bashing me.
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2 JW's in the parking lot...
by White Dove inthey met me as i was getting out of my car at my apts.. after stating a few of my newfound beliefs in possibilities, the one lady kept quoting the bible to me after i said that i had no respect for it and didn't believe in it.. i told them both that i thought it was simply a book with interesting stories rewritten over and over again from mythology.. i mentioned epona taking elish(j)a to heaven in a flaming chariot.. i told them that the jesus story has been rewritten many times before the supposed event even happened (egyptian god horus).. every time she brought up something new, i countered it with why i thought it was not believable.. the best one was when i got to tell them of my relatives who passed away at an old age and did die.
i told them that truth doesn't change.. that truth should never have been taught as a fact to be counted on.
when it did change, i said that you have to take a step back and say come on!
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white dove you did fine to the point they had to talk about your car. which just goes to show you that you won the argument. they are easy if you just keep pounding away as you did